Gear requirements exaggerated for Ice Dragon?

[milktoast22]

it is possible to clear it with no equipment.

[Taco]

What a charade lol, account made in October and only 2 posts both of which in this thread only...hmmm...

Why would you ask an opinion on a raid from someone who plays in other servers? Someone who has a perspective which only 1% of the gaming population here agrees with. Someone who needs that extra practice and guides to do said raid? I would rather ask someone who was able to beat it without needed such advantages. Not to mention Zeus' perspective is way out of whack, he hasn't had epic gear on him for the longest time. He played the bandwagon of the 80 cap class - Crusader which was capable of dealing billions of damage back in T4. Someone who mocks those around him to further his own esteem, who makes fun of mental illness, that's someone you want to take advice from? If any of the so-called "elitists" here had any brains, they'd know that the correct answer can only be gathered when all perspectives have been accounted for and all variables taken into account.

For IDN 4 man - a group of highly enhance Theano gear should have enough dps to clear dps checks, that's also assuming that they each can play their class to its fullest - that is a perfect scenario which often times does NOT come to fruition. Instead, you often might see lop sides parties where one or two of the members are overgeared because they know that THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CARRY TO GET THE CLEAR WHEN PARTYING WITH RANDOMS...

For IDN 8 man - with the information that I have collected through reading and talking with some vets, you're going to need adequate damage to clear all dps checks and clear raid on HC within 70 minutes. IDN 4 man does not scale perfectly with 8 man, thus if one or two party members are lacking, yes you'll really need a few over geared people to make up for those shortcomings. But, in a perfect world everyone would be equally adequately geared and be capable of flawless execution. We don't live in a perfect world for there are free radicals, to which I won't get into for this post would become much, much longer than it already is.

Everything depends on party composition and how each member can complement one another, it also depends on execution, it also depends on everyone having lag free experiences, everyone knowing the mechs, practicing with one another long enough to gauge how each member plays and what strengths/weaknesses they bring to the party. There are so many variables...

This is a very poor attempt to sway the moods/thoughts of the community in a particular direction. For one, you're not one to do such a thing for your reputation precedes you.

TL: DR

It's never a bad thing to be overgeared for any dung/nest/raid, you are just good at preparing yourself and you're one step ahead for the next challenge that awaits after you conquer your current one . Often times if you're running with randoms, it's best to be overgeared for you will have to carry from time to time.

Doesn't it sound strange that people are actively trying to manipulate other people to NOT gear up??? (sure they have their reasons, they say you don't need to be super geared yet they throw on this charade...gotta make one wonder wtf lol)

I would also like to know who's saying everyone in the party must have L gears? 140k+ was the minimum that the community came to almost universal agreement with back before transfer and some might remember the thread I'm referring to in the old forums, heh even Zeus posted on it. Didn't see anything like this on there :P.

I usually just read your comments on forum and respect them as your own opinion, but holy crap I have never seen such thinly and poorly veiled jealousy. How is zeus out of whack with the population? He specifically said that he cleared on another server with +0 gear. He's not saying that because he cleared on NA with OP gear, that everyone else should be able to do the same with less.

The man was just answering the OP's question about high standards of gear, by saying that experience can compensate for bad gear. There's nothing wrong about that.

And it's been said countless times before, but why the hatred towards people who practice ahead of time? Everyone has the same access to twdn that zeus has. All you have to do is ask around for instructions on how to download. We all have to practice to clear IDN. Zeus' team just had the initiative to do it ahead of time, without any indication that there would be an award event for the first clears. Just because you were too lazy/shortsighted to practice ahead of time, doesn't give you the right to pontificate about how people who do are "cheaters," so get off your high horse and just practice like zeus' team has done for months to clear instead of making a fool out of yourself on forums.

[ILLbeURdeath]

You don't value integrity, this entire thread was a charade...most feel as I do about Zeus whenever his name comes up, it's not jealousy. Then you say he (and those like him) didn't know about the "rewards"... who do you think you're fooling? lol. We all know, first clears come with rewards, we also know first clears come with selling runs first, we also know first clears means highest profits on gear drops...

Your opinion stinks just as much as his, you both are ugly people. You have no honor, you and his type are not to be trusted, deception and manipulation are your ways. People who play on other servers must use a vpn because of the ip blocks, why do you think there are ip blocks? Because they're not supposed to be playing on servers outside of their area or what's designated to them. Just because they threw out the rule book and you agree to throwing out the rule book too doesn't mean its right or acceptable. Keep thinking like him and I'll always be against you and your kind.

I've gotten where I've gotten without using any of the dishonorable, self centered ways a lot of you have done. I've done it with prudent planning and hard work whilst following the rules. Why can't you???...(and you call me lazy and jealous, how shallow are you, you don't even know what you're talking about...)

Cheers (call me oldschool but the way some of you think is extreme greediness, it's now ok to cheat cuz you put a lot of time in it (instead of just working hard without cheating...) and it's our fault, those that don't cheat for falling behind because we don't cheat too to keep up??? What kind of messed up logic is that? )

[ceruulean]

Honestly it's just a matter of time. Sure you can spend forever in a raid but no one has time to do that, which is why better gear helps.