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**nublood30** · 06-16-2018, 10:11 AM

SHOOTING STAR

As sad as the shooting star's big nerf it would be great if the splash's damage would increase just a little bit, however I would recommend to implement the ammo recharge to generate additional 2 ammo per skill used to make the Splash be used more often, making it like a Gatling Gun, less damage but more dps.

The Ping Pong Bomb is almost a ghost to shooting stars, its left in the gutter and forgotten by many in PvE, I think 500% damage wouldn't be enough for it to be good, I think its better if it has an additional effect, like additional hit per enemy dealt or something unique, that would make the Ping Pong Bomb more useful to Nests and Dungeons.

**LazyKahn** · 06-16-2018, 02:18 PM

GLADIATOR

Hacking Stance EX: [Special Attack] button is redesigned to unleash a sword storm (similar to Vengeance Storm in appearance). Sword storm damage is 3900% of Hacking Slash ATK per hit.
Awakened Passive - Triple Slash: Reduce the delay between each slash.
Side Dodge: Add invincibility effect.
Hyper Drive: Number of hits is reduced from 4 to 1 per drive; No change to total damage.

1. Sword Storm. O.O That would be a good idea. But 379% x 39 = 14781%, isn't that a little bit overpowered? Not to mention Hacking Stance cooldown can be reduced with the cooldown reduction mechanism of gladiator, similar to Line Drive. If it has 25 seconds of cooldown, it can be essentially reduced to 6 seconds. Overall, I like this idea very much.
2. Yes, and further boost the damage of Triple Slash.
3. Yes.
4. Hyper Drive: Possibly add a function similar to Line Drive when holding "back" key.

Overall, it would be a nice boost, but it would not be enough for Gladiator to shine. And DN will realistically never be able to reach the equilibrium point where "All dps classes are equal in strength.". One will always surpass the other/s. Frankly I see it as their way of "making profit" by practically forcing players to bandwagon to overpowered classes.

**Nimmienaticz** · 06-16-2018, 04:55 PM

STING BREEZER

Flag: Increase action speed; Explosion damage for Piercing Spike, Spear Hand and Poking Beehive is increased to 400%, 350% and 200% respectively.
Angelic Spear: Increase action speed; Hit count is doubled.

I personally agree with this.
Flag = Not my IDEAL spear detonator. Damage sucks compare to other detonators.
Angelic Spear = I dunno if this skill exist. I don't use it often unless I am fighting big bosses for this to do bigger / better damage but in overall this is a good skill for any kinds of bosses but casting time is duh.

**Skyros** · 06-16-2018, 05:51 PM

Here's my idea for Arch Heretic boost (or a small rework)

Execute
- Debuff duration increased from 10 -> 20s
- CD increased from 8s -> 10s
- Damage increased by 50%
- +20% ActSpd under Transformation

Evil Hand
- Post-cast delay reduced

Savage Attack
- CD decreased from 25s to 16s
- Post-cast delay reduced

Carnage
- CTC stacks decreased from 20 -> 5
- CD increased from 1s -> 4s
- NM Force generated increased from 1 -> 2

Evil Stain
- Current effect removed
- Successfully hitting Main Skills (Execute, Evil Hand, Carnage, Savage Attack and Sawblade) generates 2 NM Force per cast (not per hit)

Soul Steal
- HP Absorption effect removed. Heals by 3% of Max HP when hit successfully
- CD increased from 12s -> 15s

Shield Smash
- Toggled by Jump Button in mid-air (this sh*t ruins wall combos in PvP)

Chaos Shield
- Cast-time decreased (same hit count and damage)

REWORK CRUEL RUSH FOR GOD'S SAKE

Arch Heretic
- STR to Physical Attack bonus increased from 12% -> 15%

Sawblade
- CD decreased from 30s -> 18s

Enhanced Buff [Pain to Gain]
- NM Force Generated increased from 50 -> 60

Class Mastery 1
- Land Corruption grants double NM Force Generation when under it (Does not affect Pain to Gain)
- Land Corruption buff lingers for 3 seconds

Class Master 3
- Sawblade additional damage increased from 80% -> 100%
- Sawblade can be thrown without using Divine Combo's Normal Attack
- Divine Combo CD reduction increased from 5s -> 6s
- Divine Combo changes to Dark Attribute

Personally, I think that AH's repetitive gameplay (coupled with it's long ass CDs) is one of the reasons why AH is so unpopular. Carnage-spamming for 70% of the whole run gets boring FAST. While AHs have good skill board damage, the long CDs make it weak. This also answers the issue of the new Devastation's 90 NM Force requirement to cast. Land Corruption's new effect makes it that Devastation is to be casted last after you've expended all of your skills for bubble generation.

SUGGESTION: Make Cruel Rush have Deadly Blow's current animation (together with the i-frame) and give Deadly Blow a new animation that fits the name (maybe a rip-off of Guardian's Divine Vengeance or CM3 Shield Blow) so that CM2 is fully utilized. More often than not, Deadly Blow is casted as an escape skill, not as a nuke.

**IJumpUJump** · 06-17-2018, 08:46 PM

GENERAL CHANGES:

AGI stat now increases Critical Damage by 1.75 for all class.
INT stat no longer increases Magical Defense.
VIT stat now increases both Physical Defense and Magical Defense by a set amount for all class..

I Agree with this.

TEMPEST

Class Mastery 1: Each successful hit of Divine Rage will reduce Hurricane Dance cooldown by 1 second; Divine Rage will also leave a lingering Vortex Orb to attract surrounding enemies.

When you mention "attract surrounding enemies", do you mean to say it has provoke effect? or just suction effect?
Also, as much as HD is like the signature skill of tempests, it's casting time is just too long to justify the low damage.
I am thinking along the lines of reworking Divine Rage instant to make it really instant. Cast Kickshot > DR animation is shortened to just the kicking portion, while the entire damage is condensed into it.

Binding Shot EX: Debuff duration is increased to 20 seconds.

The debuff duration increase will eventually come, seeing how they are doing so for other class's debuff skills.
I am more interested in making bindshot more dynamic. AKA, the multiple strings that shoot out from bow, each string should deal individual damage.
As a result, proper positioning and pilot skill will play a role in determining how much damage you deal with bindshot, as well as target's size.

Spiral Vortex EX: The wind will linger on the field as a Vortex Orb to pull surrounding enemies; Increase AoE by 50%.

I do not think spiral vortex EX aoe is a matter that needs rework. I do feel that its rather small and needs improvement, but not as much as other parts.

Hurricane Dance EX: Increase damage by 200% when Hurricane Dance EX hits Vortex Orb; Hurricane Dance can be used immediately by holding [Normal Attack] button after Spiral Vortex EX or Divine Rage.

Once again, HD ex damage is just too low to justify its long cast time, short reach. As it stands, DR has a total hit count of 25 hits, which would completely cd HD with your first point.
This would turn tempest rotation into a repetitive HD > DR > HD > DR, which i honestly feel is rather boring and not representative of the dynamic class that acrobats are.
Also, considering that DR and HD are the 2 skills with the longest cast times, the total damage they deal will even lose to our current rotation even if you increased HD ex damage to 300%.
Not to mention that HD ex has ridiculously short reach and cannot hit many types of bosses (example when Green Dragon is flying at the map edge), so concentrating the damage increase around a situational skill like HD will not help tempest dps at all.

That said, my own suggestion would be:

TEMPEST

1. Class mastery 2: When kick shot is used, Divine Rage casting animation is shortened, and damage is condensed. (Similar to ww's Rising storm > CK exi combo)

2. Bind shot ex: Each string of bindshot deals individual damage (of course, damage of bindshot will be reduced to compensate). Player can hold down back button when casting bindshot to reduce the Cone size and concentrate all strings in a tighter cone as well as further frontal reach.
(they did a similar thing with ML's crescent cleave, so i believe its doable)

3. Increase Max AirCurrent from 100 to 200. Reduce Air Current Cost of Punch Smash from 50 -> 40. Increase passive air current gain from 2 - >5. Increase Air Current gain from spirit boost from 8 -> 15 (Meaning, gain 20 air current under SB)

4. Increase Punch Smash damage, DSK dmg, DR damage. (Around 30-50% should be sufficient)

But i do commend you for trying to compile this long list of suggested changes. I think it is a good platform for people to raise what they feel can be improved about the class they play.
Keep up the good work! =D

**WolfLover** · 06-18-2018, 12:58 AM

INQUISITOR

Shock Transition: Increase the electrocution rate of Charge Bolt, Lightning Bolt and Judgement Spear by 20% per skill level; Add 30% chance for lightning based skills to hit twice on electrocuted enemies. I'm fine with this.

Chain Lightning EX: Additional damage is increased to 150%. An Add-on of "Holding S to shoot 3 Lightning bolts forward" (Similar to DN M). This is particularly useful for single enemies which is most of the time. But due to my suggestion below, the additional damage should be reduced to 70%.

Awakened Passive - Detonate: Increase activation rate to 100%; Remove damage increase. I disagree on removing the damage increase as there are times where the Awakened Passive Detonate is able to somehow activate most of the time as well, I feel that Awakened Passive Detonate should have their second hit ready(With the electrocution and additional 50% damage) when Inquisitors have a set amount of [Inquisitor Bubbles] (Which is shown at the buff status when Detonate: Enhanced is activated and is currently set at 1/1). For example: Every time an electrocuted enemy gets re-electrocuted, gain 1 bubble. When the player gets a total of 10 bubbles, they are able to use the Enhanced Detonate and 10 bubbles. This will change the playstyle of Inquisitor as well - Just my opinion, though...

Another suggestion:
[Awakened] Consecration: Press on [Consecration] skill when [Consecration] is active to explode it manually. - The reason for this is because it will be useful for mobile enemies that always run out of Consecration, when the sign that an enemy is running out of the circle, the player can press Consecration to deal the additional damage of 100% from Consecration EX to explode before the end of its duration.

**Jeezus** · 06-25-2018, 03:41 AM

some of my suggestions
I know most of people here just want their Main class to be OP as f*k so most of suggestion is just Positive side
but I m posting balanced opinions here

also good luck with this thread , dunno if ED will even check this but I will help sharing this over my page , hopefully get more attention

General ->
Debuffs :- Increase Duration of Elemental /Dmg / Crit Debuffs to 30 secs and cooldown 10 or 20

Agi giving cdmg -> sorry but have to disagree on that , agi classes already have crit which is hard for str or int classes , now giving them cdmg will just make them next level
Goal of 95 cap is not to give all stats to all class , thats why dev already said he increased stat cap hugely so not everyone have capped stats

Int to mdef removal -> again have to disagree becoz , Int to m def was already nerfed long ago , if they kept original values maybe nerf was needed

Vit giving m def -> now this is just greedy part sorry

Saint ->
Immortality :- change cooldown 180 to 60 secs or atleast 90 , and duration is only 3 secs really , come on now ( and fix its description for our server thanks LOL )

Wand mastery passive :- remove this skill already thanks , and give 5% attack more to CM2 of Saint and since Inqui has high self attack % already

Blessed Sign :- Reduce casting duration since skill takes so much time to do full dmg and maybe boost its dmg bit small amount ( something like Lethal Torture of BP revamp )

Blessed Sign Cm3 :- change it into Damage over time and remove long casting so you can use other skills right after using cm3

First Aid Passive :- Nerf this skill its too strong already with current or future gears / if possible send it to some awakening passive

Cure Relic EX :- since skill CD was changed , Movespeed buff duration is still old short duration so if possible increase its duration to 20 or 30 sec

Moonlord ->
Cm 2 :- Change HMS back to Shared Cooldown , Normal HMS is really annoying to use / also boost HMS dmg after that

Smash X :- Nerf skill board % and for god sake change skill to Range dmg -> Change the X to a superfast projectile for medium range
[ there is Dragonfly Smash X skill coming for Forest Dragon weapon anyway so hoping for that ]

Flash Stance :- I agree with ur suggestion , they should revive dead skills atleast make them somewat useful in emergency

Phys ->
Poison cure :- change CD 60 secs to 30 secs

Poison Break Awakening :- Add back Right Click option which Heals party members maybe 10% heal also make it consume 10 bubble or something

Crusader ->

Main problem for now is SP shortage , Cm1 need lv19 Lightning Strike , cm2 need lv19 divine breaker , cm 3 need lv19 divine combo , so please fix that SP problem alteast from 1 out of 3 skill

Judge Power :- Either change cooldown to 60 secs or add CD reduce effect when used main skills or instants

and some more classes which are under-performing needs some real catch up

**Adhelaida** · 06-25-2018, 06:13 AM

I was going to do something similar... *guess too slow**. I would like to add:

General Changes:

Please increase all ultimate skills damage ridiculously and gives them like 3.5 min or 5 min of CD if need as long as they hit like a truck and have full iframe. Ultimate skills are not even near what they should for being called like that, most of them are just ocassional a** savers/No useful buttons left except for some more or less Ultimate dependant which might need a bit more work.

Please make willpower fragment obtainable with other points rather than only master-apprentice ones, it is a marvelous buff and it feels like a must to bring it everytime with you, it improves the whole gameplay of a class, x2 when there's a Lancea in the party, even if it's subjective it is just too fun to play every single class like this.

Gladiator:

I think -1 CD for FA whenever main skills are used is a bit too much, I think it shouldn't be a so spammeable skill similar as it was at 90 cap (if I'm not wrong) with FA every 5s, I'm sorry but I don't see what's the point of the skill being called Finish Attack if can be that spammeable.

Sniper:

Can't properly tell if this Sliding Shot revamp would be good or bad, I know I wouldn't like it with the actual sniper Gameplay tho, would need to wait until the last revamp comes next patch.

Elestra:

Please make Glacial Wave something useful, Flame Spark and Ignite to CM2 and Awake Passives respectively, Frost Wind and Shatter to CM2 and Awake Passives respectively, Phoenix Storm to Sally's CM2, make something similar with Glacial Wave, when Glacial Wave hits it resets the CD for Chilling Mist or Freezing Field or Ice Sphere (tho with this would be 5 spheres) as long as it's not a skill fooling around at the Elemental Lord's Skill Tree for no apparent reason only needed at least at lvl 1 to learn Shatter.

Smasher:

Please make Force Shield an active or at least a way that Majesty can get the buff without needing to get hit and by rate. Something like Brave works for Swordmasters.

Please make Force Mirror an indivual skill from Force User's Tree, instead Smasher will have New Skill: Linear Eye or Eye Laser (I know right, marvelous names) 60s CD, 28s duration, It is an eye that will follow enemies around the Sorc and it will shoot lasers constantly (similar to her ultimate Eraser and Ice Palm from Adept). *My Wonderful Original Name* EX it will summon 2 eyes and the duration will get increased to 40s.

Majesty:

I would rather have no force missile awake anymore but don't know what to add, same with teleport awake, I think it's pretty weird and awkard to make it hit, might as well reduces Switch Gravity CD by 5% or 10% whenever Teleport is used. Maybe make Black Hole instant to cast too.

Please increase Summon Comet action speed.

Guardian:

I would like to remove Shield Charge awake, can't see how this can be good, Shield Charge dont deal a fu of damage and it reduces the distance which is what Shield Charge was good for in first place, would rather have Divine Vengeance awake, make it charge the hit or make it hit twice and increase the aoe, that or Divine Ascension awake, when the light energy hits it will cause an explosion that have 500% of divine ascension ATK or Iron Will awake, buff can be shared with allies for 30s as long as it's not Shield Charge Awake.

Shooting Star:

Please make Alfredo Drill don't just pass trough bosses if too close or at least make him invencible when casting drill or both if it's not too much to ask.

Gear Master:

Sadly I can only talk for pve, there's no place I can think where Gravity Grenade awake would be useful, if you ever want to your towers to hit a specific target just use tower recall, at nests there's only 1 boss per stage and at dungeons not really necessary even talking about low geared GMs, at least make it increase tower or ducks damage for a certain duration, might be both, please.

Please remove post delay when casting Tower Recall and make it able to cancel with tumble.

Please increase action speed for cannon tower and ice pum tower.

Adept:

Please make that Magma Wall allows to just pass through at least in pve since the pillars can be very disruptive, specially when partying meelee classes.

Please increase Alcohol damage and as well/or the explosion when combined with Icing Mass, overall useless skill.

Ripper:

I would rather not have the counterattack awake passive anymore, I think it would be way better a Flame Locust awake, make it 1 kick but increase aoe and damage or Shift Blow awake, make it 1 punch like Punch Smash from Tempest or make it 2 punches, like Shadow Hand but shorter and faster as long as it's not a sort of tumble awake, please.

Flurry:

Please make Rushing Blade an active, happened with Mind Breaker, happened with Poison Charging, only Rushing Blade left so we don't need to spend our tumble.

Please make Evil Punisher to re-give the buff whenever 1 punisher explodes but reduce the damage boost to 10%.

I would rather not have headbutt awake anymore, there's no time to fit that in the rotation unless you have a very wide dps window, better to just make Shutter Bounce awake which makes a lot more sense just cause Shutter Bounce being an at least Piercer skill, bonus points from being at Flurry EXs, make it so it's only 1 hit and faster or remains the 2 hits but make it faster, increase it's damage and reduce CD from 12s to 10s or and/or increase debuff duration to 20s, that or Stab Screw awake, make some kind of tornado, as long as it's not headbutt or even lancea tree skills, piercer skill awake passive is what she should have got at least, not headbutt, so please make it happend.

CM2 was already decreased from 25% to 15% in the last patch.

No time for Spinning Swing either, please make it chargeable and hit with at least 75% of total damage or something similar.

Please make vulnerable effect individual so if there's 2 Flurry at the same party they don't need to fight for it, unless this could decrease class diversity which I can understand but doubt would be enough to not make this a thing.

Please improve Bifrost, might add instant landing by pressing left or right click after Bifrost since it let you too much vulnerable after casting it for no apparent reason.

Sing Breezer:

Please make her skills don't get bugged so people with green ping can have no issues and people with yellow ping can at least play her.

Ruina/Defensio:

Please reconsider the last balance, based on a Ruina DPS comparison video before and after the patch the difference in dps was around 60% of DPS lost.

I would rather to decrease Overboost CD to 45s or even less, tho the duration increased would be fine since would let Ruina relax for a bit, is not really an issue since awake, the problem is when you get suddenly debuffed and Overboost is on CD. Never really understood why Ruina don't have 45s CD and 15% action speed for Overboost as Defensio, not to say Defensio have Repair and this is even before awake, I wanted to believe it is cause Defensio is supposed to be a tank somehow but even so I think Ruina seriously should have at least those 15% action speed too. In conclusion, please increase Overboost duration for both and make both have the same CD, afterall both can't do a fu without Overboost on.

Please make duck reduce 100% CD of Gear Step or bring back the Skill up heraldry for duck since this can significantly increase gameplay for Machinas.

**LazyKahn** · 06-26-2018, 04:59 AM

NearLawlet cannot use photo as reply so yeah here it is.

**WolfLover** · 07-06-2018, 04:54 AM

Like to add on for priest

Avenging Wave is changed to active skill. Can be still used to same way.

reason:
As priest as to still get hit in order to use it, it still has a lot of risk involved. As for Inquisitor side, double normal hits sometimes do not work and causes avenging wave to still cancel as well.

but the normal x2 hits, judgement spear and lightning storm trigger on spacebar should retain nonetheless.

this change will allow the player to use the skill off cooldown much easier than compared to now.

**MilleFiyu** · 07-08-2018, 03:26 AM

This is very interesting

As a Physician Player, I agree to these changes.
Also I would like to add this if you mind ^_^"

Injector Ex: Apply action speed buff on the Physician herself (not sure if this is a bug that the Physician didnt get the buff effect eventho she get the pink aura)

Poison Charging Ex: I-frame skill, able to click while casting any/some skills to cancel or dodge (since the skill is now active)

Poison Break Ex: Right Click function return, gives additional 3 or 5 bubbles (the right click function will also fasten the skill casting that will also put the Physician out in danger since the skill must be finished to tumble)

Slime Pool: Increase the number of slimes from 6 to 12 or 15 (the old effect of the Poison Strike is to generate 2 Slime Pools that will summon 12 poison slimes, so its kindda "meh" now)

**Vaddix** · 07-08-2018, 04:24 AM

Moon Lord
1. Crescent Cleave = instead of blades, change it to walls of cyclones instead.
2. Flash Stance = instead of blades, change each attacks to cyclone instead.
3. Half Moon Slash = cyclones will be created under the units hitted with the second attack.
4. Moon Blader = instead of blades, normal attacks generates cyclones instead.

Also pls apply these changes for PvP too.

**Skyros** · 07-14-2018, 05:13 AM

Some suggestions for Saint:

1) General: Remove collision with Relics and provide a permanent invincibility effect to all Relics (basically like GM Towers). Reduce Relic drop time by half.

2) Class Mastery 1: Change the +MoveSpd effect into +ActSpd effect (maybe 15-20% for 5s). This would make Saints be able to reposition or cast skills faster.

3) [Awakened] Grand Cross: Increase damage by 100%. Change projectile animation into old GC v2 from Inquis (moves slowly and has a larger projectile). Increase cast speed for Enhanced Antiphonary Pool.

4) Class Mastery 2: Change trigger skill to Grand Cross.

5) Class Mastery 3: Holy Bolt leaves an orb after cast. Casting Blessed Sign in succession causes the orb to serve as the 'center point' of the Blessed Sign AoE. Blessed Sign deals increased damage. (Basically the Orb casts Blessed Sign instead, the character only does the starting and ending animation like new Lightning Storm)

**CraigG** · 08-03-2018, 07:18 PM

Hi, Barbie main here (Yes I know he screams alot but I love it

), these are my thoughts:

Circle Swing EX: Rage point consumption reduced from 30 to 15; Enhanced Circle Swing can now be activated by holding [Normal Attack] button during Whirlwind; Slightly increases AoE.
-I find the first part of this nice, and the second part will make way for new interesting combo rotation/patterns
Class Mastery 2: Bone Crash INS is now used immediately without jumping motion.
-PLEASE DONT remove the jump motion from Bone Crash INS, as a player who mains barb, there is hardly any jump skills that we have to dodge stomp mechs while still deal dmg (aside from the normal bone crash) with the nature of labyrinth where you have to squeeze every second possible dealing damage to the boss, the animation of Bone Crash INS is already fast enough to be a problem dps wise, taking away the jump motion will actually take away utility and play potential from the class.
Class Mastery 3: Increase action speed for Demolition Fist.
-Also interesting, but might lead to more problems which I will share below.
Frenzy: Enhanced Whirlwind now gives 5 rage point; Can be chained with Enhanced Circle Swing.
-Same comment with no. 1

Now lets talk about where Barbarians actually can be tweaked to be made better.

1. Barbarians no. 1 problem is not slow skill animation, thats part of their nature and playstyle, what they suffer from greatly is cooldowns, and poor scaling with party/raid buffs and premium buffs such as the premium stone. Even with the best thought out rotations, Barbs are left with 5-7seconds of dead time in raid parties (GDN) or high labyrinth floors with Harmonize + Premium stone because theres simply
no more skills to use :/ and with how things are its not worth using destro main skills as filler as they even more slow.

2. Unlike their famous counterpart class Moonlord, which can spam MBD every few seconds, with no requrement to hit skills to cast (compare demo fist, overtaker) or the Gladiator which has Evasion slash to reset cooldowns of certain main skills, instead of Awakened Demo fist only reducing its OWN cooldown if it hits enemies, why not add an effect where awakened demo fist reduces the cooldown of ALL the EX skills by ONE(1)s so hitting both demo fist will reduce CD of main skills by a total of 2s. I think its not gonna make Barb OP or broken or such but this will add more depth to the class, (if this is implemented barb users have to make sure they hit their melee skill aw demo fist ex or their screwed) as well as have more options in raid parties. In before the revamp, barbs had a 6s CD on empowered whirlwind to charge fury while at the same time fill time for main skills to go off cooldown, now that thats gone and with empowered whirlwind on a longer cooldown, using it as a cooldown filler is not as effective as it was. If Demo fist cooldown is too much, maybe adding the effect to Bone Crash and Bone Crash INS is not bad either. I just think that there should be a cooldown reducing skill for barbarians too.
Thank you for reading, Im still bandwagoning that Mercenaries are the true warriors! ^^v

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