Help moonlord i frames

[TashaGodspell]

hi playing moonlord and im having trouble dodging bosses killing blow so how to use the iframes of moonlord currently only using tumble and awakned eclipse moonblade dance is not i frame but i use it to jump bosses stomp rarely use cm3 because of risk of being hit so

need tips guys on how to use the class properly

[NearLawlet]

Skills with i-frame: Tumble, Aerial Combo (landing part), Parry, Front Shove (back step part), Awakened Eclipse, Infinity Edge, Flash Stance (dash part

You should use CM3 as often as you can, since the damage increase is too good to pass up. Most of the time, though, you will be spamming Smash X and MBD EX (to reduce Smash X cooldown). Always make sure you have 50 bubbles before you cast your hardest-hitting skill.

[TashaGodspell]

does casting eclipse while in smash x reduce its damage ? or it only shorten the animation?

[NearLawlet]

Casting Eclipse after Smash X merely remove its awkward after-cast delay. Nevertheless it is still important if you don't wish to leave yourself vulnerable for even a second.

[darkb1ader]

If I'm not mistaken you can also use Parry while or after using Smash X to avoid being hit by the enemies particularly boss.

[darkb1ader]

The best way is to keep your distance from the boss when you're soioing.
I also agree with you about CM3, it's nearly useless when you're soioing but if you're with a party it's not.(definitely fun to watch and also good dps)
Unfortunately, moonlord really have a bad i-frame skills specially for cancelling skills. But it doesn't really matter because ml playstyle usually needs to distance yourself from the boss.

If you can't avoid distancing yourself from the boss, the best i-frame you can probably use is Parry. I use this often because I'm usually near the boss. (I got used to gladiator being close to the boss )

[darkb1ader]

Sorry, Parry seems to be more of a block than i-frame but nonetheless is still good for avoiding damage.

[LapLance]

only Moonblade Dance and Flash Stance from main skills of ML can make ML move some distance. you may focus on Iframe, but it also helps if you use gladiator's side skills such as Triple Slash and Line Drive to move away beside using dash slash and dash combo. On the other hand, for mechanics which you need to jump, jump + Moon Blade Dance will make you airborne longer, and even longer if you use Aerial Combo after Moon Blade Dance, or just end it with a dropkick. Moonlord need to borrow gladiator's side for dodging. and for reference, Infinity Edge still boost its damage after a Line Drive even used by Moonlord.

[NearLawlet]

1. "only Moonblade Dance and Flash Stance from main skills of ML can make ML move some distance"

Moon Blade Dance is your main-DPS skill and it should never be used at a close range (since that's what you're implying in your sentence, to use MBD to gain some distance from boss). Not to mention that using MBD at a close range would severely reduce its damage since the sword wave cannot travel enough distance on the target (resulting in fewer hits)

And even though Flash Stance can be used for its quick dash (which has i-frame), I would not recommend using it to gain some distance since each quick dash has an awkward after-cast delay (which prevents you from moving quickly with it and leaves you vulnerable to attack)



2. "you may focus on Iframe, but it also helps if you use gladiator's side skills such as Triple Slash and Line Drive to move away beside using dash slash and dash combo"

Triple Slash is only used to push objects during mechanic, and taking Line Drive is a major waste of 6 precious skill points. Besides, those two skills have such long cd and stiff movement that they're far from reliable to be used to re-adjust your position. Using Tumble + Dash Slash/Combo is also absurd. Tumble + Dash is faster, easier, safer, and allow you to cover more distance.



3. "On the other hand, for mechanics which you need to jump, jump + Moon Blade Dance will make you airborne longer, and even longer if you use Aerial Combo after Moon Blade Dance, or just end it with a dropkick"

That second jump is from Moon Blade Dance skill, you cannot double jump THEN use MBD. The only classes that can double jump are assassins and its specializations.
Also, Drop Kick and Aerial Combo CANNOT be used after Moon Blade Dance. If you want to fall faster, just press left-click at the end of the skill (Moon Blade Dance EX).


4. "Moonlord need to borrow gladiator's side for dodging"

Side Dodge is an exclusive awakening skill of Gladiator, and it can only be used by that class. Which 'side' are you talking about?


5. "Infinity Edge still boost its damage after a Line Drive even used by Moonlord"

Another misconception. That 100% additional damage comes from the last thrust attack of Infinity Edge (where you charge forward just like Line Drive), but it's not considered Line Drive skill. Using Infinity Edge after a Line Drive DOES NOT boost its damage.



I'll give you points for attempting to help TS, but perhaps it's better for you to study the skills first before you do so.

[LapLance]

1. you're not wrong, but in your mind, the Moon Blade Dance is straightforward direction, in close distant, we can actually make a circular motion, which can be done by keep pressing either left or right direction key when using Moon Blade Dance and adjusting your cursor in the opposite direction of the direction key you are pressing, As for Flash Stance, the skill itself is a utility, which you can adjust your timing between iframe and attack.
2. there are cases where you need to evade when tumble is on CD, which gladiator's side skills can make you move out of the range of attacks from the boss if you're close enough to the safe area.
3. it isn't a double jump. but casting an aerial combo is possible only if you are not using the last slash of Moon Blade Dance, which is the left click when the Moon Blade Dance ends. A short pause should be done before the last slash to use Aerial Combo, or you'll end up using the last slash. using the last slash will make you fall faster, but in some mechanics, if you're unsure about whether the mechanic will happen, save aerial combo. On the other hand, dropkick can't be used after Moon Blade Dance.
4. gladiator's side means gladiator's skill in swordmaster's tree, sorry if I didn't state it clearly.
5.I'm wrong about the skill description of damage, but the Iframe is still useful when fighting a boss, as Great Wave is risky to use in situations where mechanics will cancel your skill.

[hamooda3000]

I've read through the posts and I'm surprised no one talked about the Relieve>Parry Stance life-saver yet. If you maxed your Relieve 6/6, its CD can be reduced quite significant and could save you in many dire moments, at least for me xD

[vangeodee]

There's also relieve>eclipse.

But those are "advanced" moves. lmao

[NestyMcNestface]

I guess they weren't brought up since everyone agrees on Relieve. I agree that it is truly a life saver especially since it is the only skill that could cancel your MBD in mid-air.

[Wapunkz]

the're is the X-Smash I-frame buts its tricky, I still don't get the start up animation to have the I-frame But I only know that It will have a small I-frame on when you jump part through the air and get the sword..
afterwards you gonna get hit.. I still finding its true nature of the I-frame in pvp but in some occasion it happen on, electric smite, magma wave, magmawall and eclipse awakes.

the first time is when the majesty use the slow animation debuff ground skill (I don't know the name) and on my panic I use the eclipse and X-smash, the enemy crusader waited until the eclipse animation (because hes on a higher ground) is finnish then launch the electric smite at me but I'm already in X-smash animation where I jump and get the sword, its isn't the lag because the slow effect greatly increase the I-Frame time and animation time also the crusader landed at the same area as I am only I'm already up in the air and proceed the attack.. and Its not a luck I already got it for 10times after that but its rare and I'm still finding the right timing to it..


Also there is the Moonblade Dance EX I-frame and it's also tricky because only the part between the final X slash in the air and the final vertical slash in the end have the I-frame, basically if you see the yellow moon that the time and afterwards you land, you get hit...

LineDrive non-EX too, only the travel part and I done it 3x to counter tracking arrows in my whole life in pvp but mosty I failed because its very very tricky.. the EX version have much good timing..

I don't know if its gonna helps you but it helps me in pvp and its the X-smash part..


If you want' to dodge swiftly on I-frames use parry more and deepstraight (frontshove) non-EX more like its second nature, and the backslide of deeptraight followed by tumble is a good 1second I-frame.
the after skill delay of parry is minimize in PvE..