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  • Gear requirements exaggerated for Ice Dragon?

    dont know whats up with some peeps askin for L grade geared people for this raid?

    seems like its doable with some top epics or uniques with some good classes as long as you can pass the few dps checks. theres a lot of good dps classes now with some super strong ones too. plus we're in the next cap.

    are people just over gearing or what? then i saw some teams calculating their overall dps in normal to see if they had enough for HC to beat the timer and they had more than double the amount needed.

    just seems like if you're skilled enough you can get away with above average gear and dont need top of the line or absolute best gear for the raid.

    any peeps that cleared for insight on this? you think the gear requirements or expectations are exaggerated? looking for opinions from those people preferably.
    Last edited by BigB0ssM0ney; 10-15-2016, 02:42 AM.

  • #2
    You're right!

    They're definitely exaggerated. Most of the time the community exaggerates what gear is required or how much DPS is required to clear hardcore. This is simply because the general population has trouble repeating mechanics for a prolonged period of time and higher DPS allows teams to resolve this issue. You notice this when you watch teams stream and certain players will die at the last bar even though they fully are aware of the mechanics in the previous bars.

    Just remember, it is Ice Dragon Nest Normal. There is no timer, you can take as long as you need. The only problem are certain DPS check mechanics but those issues can be resolved with a bit of planning as mentioned in another thread already.

    I remember when our team cleared Ice Dragon Nest with +0 gear on another server, we didn't have enough DPS to do the bar mechanic or timed mechanic of the first boss so we found ways to work around it. We simply set up relics at center ahead of time prior to the bar mechanic for relic reaction, and saved DPS skills to be able to kill 3 of the babies. We face tanked the last baby and rehealed afterwards. When we couldn't break the timed mechanic, we used sigil to reduce the damage we would take upon explosion. Sometimes we would stall out the fight to wait for sigil to be up before heading into the bar mechanic in case we needed to tank the explosion. Eventually we cleared the raid despite our very limited gear.

    Level 93 Epics or Unique Comas are more than enough to clear IDN normal. If your team can't, perhaps you don't have the right composition or players are just not aggressive enough due to unfamiliarity of the raid.

    Good luck
    Last edited by CraZyZeuS; 10-15-2016, 03:18 AM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by CraZyZeuS View Post
      You're right!

      They're definitely exaggerated. Most of the time the community exaggerates what gear is required or how much DPS is required to clear hardcore. This is simply because the general population has trouble repeating mechanics for a prolonged period of time and higher DPS allows teams to resolve this issue. You notice this when you watch teams stream and certain players will die at the last bar even though they fully are aware of the mechanics in the previous bars.

      Just remember, it is Ice Dragon Nest Normal. There is no timer, you can take as long as you need. The only problem are certain DPS check mechanics but those issues can be resolved with a bit of planning as mentioned in another thread already.

      I remember when our team cleared Ice Dragon Nest with +0 gear on another server, we didn't have enough DPS to do the bar mechanic or timed mechanic of the first boss so we found ways to work around it. We simply set up relics at center ahead of time prior to the bar mechanic for relic reaction, and saved DPS skills to be able to kill 3 of the babies. We face tanked the last baby and rehealed afterwards. When we couldn't break the timed mechanic, we used sigil to reduce the damage we would take upon explosion. Sometimes we would stall out the fight to wait for sigil to be up before heading into the bar mechanic in case we needed to tank the explosion. Eventually we cleared the raid despite our very limited gear.

      Level 93 Epics or Unique Comas are more than enough to clear IDN normal. If your team can't, perhaps you don't have the right composition or players are just not aggressive enough due to unfamiliarity of the raid.

      Good luck
      Thanks for the insight dude. Glad to know my thoughts about the gear requirements aren't nonsense. Also Know lots of people who are discouraged from joining or forming a team just because they dont have L-grades so this should ease them up a bit on that.

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      • #4
        What a charade lol, account made in October and only 2 posts both of which in this thread only...hmmm...

        Why would you ask an opinion on a raid from someone who plays in other servers? Someone who has a perspective which only 1% of the gaming population here agrees with. Someone who needs that extra practice and guides to do said raid? I would rather ask someone who was able to beat it without needed such advantages. Not to mention Zeus' perspective is way out of whack, he hasn't had epic gear on him for the longest time. He played the bandwagon of the 80 cap class - Crusader which was capable of dealing billions of damage back in T4. Someone who mocks those around him to further his own esteem, who makes fun of mental illness, that's someone you want to take advice from? If any of the so-called "elitists" here had any brains, they'd know that the correct answer can only be gathered when all perspectives have been accounted for and all variables taken into account.

        For IDN 4 man - a group of highly enhance Theano gear should have enough dps to clear dps checks, that's also assuming that they each can play their class to its fullest - that is a perfect scenario which often times does NOT come to fruition. Instead, you often might see lop sides parties where one or two of the members are overgeared because they know that THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CARRY TO GET THE CLEAR WHEN PARTYING WITH RANDOMS...

        For IDN 8 man - with the information that I have collected through reading and talking with some vets, you're going to need adequate damage to clear all dps checks and clear raid on HC within 70 minutes. IDN 4 man does not scale perfectly with 8 man, thus if one or two party members are lacking, yes you'll really need a few over geared people to make up for those shortcomings. But, in a perfect world everyone would be equally adequately geared and be capable of flawless execution. We don't live in a perfect world for there are free radicals, to which I won't get into for this post would become much, much longer than it already is.

        Everything depends on party composition and how each member can complement one another, it also depends on execution, it also depends on everyone having lag free experiences, everyone knowing the mechs, practicing with one another long enough to gauge how each member plays and what strengths/weaknesses they bring to the party. There are so many variables...

        This is a very poor attempt to sway the moods/thoughts of the community in a particular direction. For one, you're not one to do such a thing for your reputation precedes you.

        TL: DR

        It's never a bad thing to be overgeared for any dung/nest/raid, you are just good at preparing yourself and you're one step ahead for the next challenge that awaits after you conquer your current one . Often times if you're running with randoms, it's best to be overgeared for you will have to carry from time to time.

        Doesn't it sound strange that people are actively trying to manipulate other people to NOT gear up??? (sure they have their reasons, they say you don't need to be super geared yet they throw on this charade...gotta make one wonder wtf lol)

        I would also like to know who's saying everyone in the party must have L gears? 140k+ was the minimum that the community came to almost universal agreement with back before transfer and some might remember the thread I'm referring to in the old forums, heh even Zeus posted on it. Didn't see anything like this on there :P.
        Last edited by ILLbeURdeath; 10-15-2016, 04:07 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ILLbeURdeath View Post
          What a charade lol, account made in October and only 2 posts both of which in this thread only...hmmm...

          Why would you ask an opinion on a raid from someone who plays in other servers? Someone who has a perspective which only 1% of the gaming population here agrees with. Someone who needs that extra practice and guides to be said raid? I would rather ask someone who was able to beat it without needed such advantages. Not to mention Zeus' perspective is way out of whack, he hasn't had epic gear on him for the longest time. He played the bandwagon of the cap class - Crusader which was capable of dealing billions of damage back in T4. Someone who mocks those around him to further his own esteem, who makes fun of mental illness, that's someone you want to take advice from? If any of the so-called "elitists" here had any brains, they'd know that the correct answer can only be gathered when all perspectives have been accounted for and all variable taken into account.
          Huh? I have been lurking the forums since the start of the transfer but only made an account just now because I had an important question. I didn't ask for anyone specifically just people who have cleared since they'd be more knowledgeable on what it takes to get through.

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          • #6
            Got to agree with Reaper on this. Zeus's team is one of the few teams who have been able to clear this nest, and saying its more or less easy to pass and "If your team can't, perhaps you don't have the right composition or players are just not aggressive enough due to unfamiliarity of the raid.". This statement pretty much covers 95% of the DN community.
            IMO the best way to tell if you're geared enough would be to run IDN 4man until you feel comfortable with the mechs and them form a team (or even pub) of ppl around the same gear as you. If you feel like you guys make a dent then you're probably geared enough, if not, try gear a bit more.
            My team has decent experience with RDN HC and most of em are in +12 RDNL. Most we got it down to was 2 bars in first boss before most ppl died. Sure, we do need a more practice but we'll get there eventually. Player who go out of there way to raid on other servers just so they can practice are not average players so saying that its doable in +0 93 epics is bs tbh unless you wanna spend 3 hours for one run.
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            Hai. This raid is hard. Test it for yourself. Don't take the word of the hardcore of the hardcore players ( '-')b
            kthxbai

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            • #7
              I honestly don't understand all this hostility anyone can practice on another server and it's not like the raid is even that remotely difficult just takes a few runs and dedication to have a very clear understanding of the raid. I'm not a perfect player and I did have some practice on another server myself but we have 4 man for a reason, so use it. This community needs to stop complaining about what people do. If you want to learn a raid before hand find some people and practice it's not even about other servers anymore since 4 man is there to learn mechs. It's no different in 8 man just more HP.

              TLDR
              Raid isn't hard stop complaining and practice in 4 man more

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              • ILLbeURdeath
                ILLbeURdeath commented
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                Accountability, look it up, I'm not the only one here who's willing to hold those around him/her in the community responsible for what they say and do. I'm not the minority in this game, most players are like me cept they passive and/or don't even read these forums.

                Also, anybody with a brain knows IDN 4 man is meant for practice and to help with gear progression. Most here also know that IDN 8 man is a sponge fest with only 3 bosses to learn so ofc it will be an easier raid to learn than others in years past.

            • #8
              did y'all even read anything Zeus said in his post?? So quick to be hostile because they practiced in another server... lol...

              Without knowing mechs, my bf and I were able to duo idn 4man to balapa's last bar. he's in L grades, +6-+8, and i'm still rocking nightmare weapons and epic armor albeit two +6 L armors.

              IDN 4man is there for you to use to learn mechanics. Are y'all gonna start shitting on people for using 4man to learn mechs too? lmao.

              Good luck OP, I'm sure you'll figure something out for yourself. =)
              im not on this account

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              • #9
                Originally posted by ILLbeURdeath View Post
                What a charade lol, account made in October and only 2 posts both of which in this thread only...hmmm...

                Why would you ask an opinion on a raid from someone who plays in other servers? Someone who has a perspective which only 1% of the gaming population here agrees with. Someone who needs that extra practice and guides to do said raid? I would rather ask someone who was able to beat it without needed such advantages. Not to mention Zeus' perspective is way out of whack, he hasn't had epic gear on him for the longest time. He played the bandwagon of the 80 cap class - Crusader which was capable of dealing billions of damage back in T4. Someone who mocks those around him to further his own esteem, who makes fun of mental illness, that's someone you want to take advice from? If any of the so-called "elitists" here had any brains, they'd know that the correct answer can only be gathered when all perspectives have been accounted for and all variables taken into account.

                For IDN 4 man - a group of highly enhance Theano gear should have enough dps to clear dps checks, that's also assuming that they each can play their class to its fullest - that is a perfect scenario which often times does NOT come to fruition. Instead, you often might see lop sides parties where one or two of the members are overgeared because they know that THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CARRY TO GET THE CLEAR WHEN PARTYING WITH RANDOMS...

                For IDN 8 man - with the information that I have collected through reading and talking with some vets, you're going to need adequate damage to clear all dps checks and clear raid on HC within 70 minutes. IDN 4 man does not scale perfectly with 8 man, thus if one or two party members are lacking, yes you'll really need a few over geared people to make up for those shortcomings. But, in a perfect world everyone would be equally adequately geared and be capable of flawless execution. We don't live in a perfect world for there are free radicals, to which I won't get into for this post would become much, much longer than it already is.

                Everything depends on party composition and how each member can complement one another, it also depends on execution, it also depends on everyone having lag free experiences, everyone knowing the mechs, practicing with one another long enough to gauge how each member plays and what strengths/weaknesses they bring to the party. There are so many variables...

                This is a very poor attempt to sway the moods/thoughts of the community in a particular direction. For one, you're not one to do such a thing for your reputation precedes you.

                TL: DR

                It's never a bad thing to be overgeared for any dung/nest/raid, you are just good at preparing yourself and you're one step ahead for the next challenge that awaits after you conquer your current one . Often times if you're running with randoms, it's best to be overgeared for you will have to carry from time to time.

                Doesn't it sound strange that people are actively trying to manipulate other people to NOT gear up??? (sure they have their reasons, they say you don't need to be super geared yet they throw on this charade...gotta make one wonder wtf lol)

                I would also like to know who's saying everyone in the party must have L gears? 140k+ was the minimum that the community came to almost universal agreement with back before transfer and some might remember the thread I'm referring to in the old forums, heh even Zeus posted on it. Didn't see anything like this on there :P.
                Hey! I read your post here and feel as though you aren't understanding a few things, so I wanna clear those up for you.

                While playing on other servers may seem "cheap" and what not, you have to admit that it takes dedication. If you set a goal for yourself, wouldn't you try tackling it sooner than later? This works for video games too! Not sure why that ruins someone's validity? I mean, they have more experience than us so who are we to say anything.

                Anyways, I sort of want to add to what Zeus said. People have more than the necessary gear for this, but it's either inexperience, being uncomfortable with the raid or a combination of both that causes so few clears. We see this even with RDN parties to this day. If I run with my guild and people I know? Little to no issues and I'm usually in windowed mode with Youtube playing. In a PUG? I'm worried about the people I don't know, tend to play worse and this results in failures because people probably feel the same way and there's not enough DPS. People can have the gear and be afraid to go up front and do damage.

                While I understand that 8-man IDN is different and I only have run it with 1 group, it still somewhat applies. When doing IDN mem with randoms, it takes forever and I play scared. With guild members? All ins and I see that I even die less unless I'm being an idiot.

                Though, I can't discredit gear at all. If you walk in there with +0 Theano Gears then you're not gonna have a great time. Yet, nobody is telling anyone else to do this. You can clear with Evolution Coma gears. Is that telling someone not to go RDN L-grades? Of course not. But this is why people work on their gear. It's just the mindset that NA developed is quite... sad, and this isn't only for DN, this is NA gaming for MMO's (and MOBA'S) as a whole. "Why do more mechs when we can burn through the boss and kill it?" Yeah, this is fine and all, but people take it so far that it teaches nothing.

                Another issue we have is simply the fact that we get content after it's already been released in other versions, something that we aren't in control of. Nobody in NA goes into IDN "blind". I didn't look at any guides or anything, but I dare won't say that I went in as blind as the first version that got IDN, that's something that will never happen for us. That's why our mindset is so screwed for raiding efficiently. Props to teams that actually do this though!

                Well, you stated that you wanted someone else's opinion, so here's one from someone who doesn't believe in the meta and has played the same class since 40 cap. That, and as I said, I feel as though you didn't have a firm grasp and understanding what Zeus said, so I wanted to help you out!

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                • ILLbeURdeath
                  ILLbeURdeath commented
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                  Call me a liar all you want, truth hurts doesn't it, we're not all like you :c

                  You have no facts for "everyone doing shady stuff does make it ok because society decided that majority rules" statement, this is actually a very cocky and arrogant assumption made on your part. The very fact that the world is still spinning and we haven't all killed one another proves the majority of people in this world are NOT shady people such as yourself, you can attack that statement all you want.

                  This statement "Using your logic, anyone in this game can be accused of low morals and integrity. The fact that NA knows what will happen months im advance gives us an "unfair" and "immoral" advantage. Every one of those listed things has been complained about by someone, even if those things actually don't go against any rules, such as Apple farming." holds no merit whatsoever since your first claim is false that we're all shady, despicable people in this world.

                  I'm a liar, LMAO, good one :

                  I am guilty of buying low and selling high but that is due to people not knowing values of some items, there is nothing shady about that.
                  I am guilty of reading the future content section here but I only play on NA, I never once said reading about what's to come is immoral, using a VPN to play on another server you weren't meant to, which is why for the VPN to avoid the ip block to stop YOU PEOPLE FROM PLAYING ON OTHER SERVERS is immoral. You broke the rules and you did it for an advantage over others. If you guys weren't so cocky you might actually get away with more :P.
                  I've never CC any of my toons, my first toon was a CM, I loved the class from the videos I watched on youtube some years ago . Second toon was my gm, I like summons classes in the rpg's I play, they tend to be one of the stronger classes and I like the tactics associated with said class. Third toon is my Sniper, I wanted a class that was strong against single targets. 4th is my WM, made it since it can share gear with my CM. 5th is my Shunter, think we all made one of these . 6th is my Reaper, I actually wanted a melee type class and I avoided the Assassin class for the longest time due to its broken'ness but watched the gameplay of Reapers and liked what I saw, it is my only in your face melee toon that I have. 7th toon is a level 24, one day to be, IW. 8th and 9th toons are a DA and a Machina, both at level 1. That's all of the characters I have and I have never apple farmed, I'd rather play Dragon Nest, not Dragon Apple Farm :P.
                  Let me repeat that again, I have NEVER class changed anyone, ever. I simply make another class.
                  Never shared my account with anyone either.
                  This last statement "Endless hours of dungeon farming" just shows how messed up in the head you are.

                  Done with you now, have fun and cheers

                • Aisuru
                  Aisuru commented
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                  I just wish you could be honest and argue without the need for the passive aggressive faces. You have not validity to your claims. I can't believe you. There is no way to believe you. You are just like the rest of us and you are free to remain delusional. I can admit my wrongdoings, you cannot.

                  I wish you the... no, actually, I don't wish you the best. However, you're free to believe what you wish, I will give you that.

                • ILLbeURdeath
                  ILLbeURdeath commented
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                  If this is what you must do to live with yourself, by all means go ahead. I meant what I said, the statements you have made... hey you know what, touche - believe what you want .

              • #10
                People put high gearing requirements, because they don't trust players they're unfamiliar with to get the job done and the mechanics in this Raid isn't even complicated, need to have coordination more than anything.

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                • #11
                  Originally posted by ILLbeURdeath View Post
                  What a charade lol, account made in October and only 2 posts both of which in this thread only...hmmm...

                  Why would you ask an opinion on a raid from someone who plays in other servers? Someone who has a perspective which only 1% of the gaming population here agrees with. Someone who needs that extra practice and guides to do said raid? I would rather ask someone who was able to beat it without needed such advantages. Not to mention Zeus' perspective is way out of whack, he hasn't had epic gear on him for the longest time. He played the bandwagon of the 80 cap class - Crusader which was capable of dealing billions of damage back in T4. Someone who mocks those around him to further his own esteem, who makes fun of mental illness, that's someone you want to take advice from? If any of the so-called "elitists" here had any brains, they'd know that the correct answer can only be gathered when all perspectives have been accounted for and all variables taken into account.

                  For IDN 4 man - a group of highly enhance Theano gear should have enough dps to clear dps checks, that's also assuming that they each can play their class to its fullest - that is a perfect scenario which often times does NOT come to fruition. Instead, you often might see lop sides parties where one or two of the members are overgeared because they know that THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CARRY TO GET THE CLEAR WHEN PARTYING WITH RANDOMS...

                  For IDN 8 man - with the information that I have collected through reading and talking with some vets, you're going to need adequate damage to clear all dps checks and clear raid on HC within 70 minutes. IDN 4 man does not scale perfectly with 8 man, thus if one or two party members are lacking, yes you'll really need a few over geared people to make up for those shortcomings. But, in a perfect world everyone would be equally adequately geared and be capable of flawless execution. We don't live in a perfect world for there are free radicals, to which I won't get into for this post would become much, much longer than it already is.

                  Everything depends on party composition and how each member can complement one another, it also depends on execution, it also depends on everyone having lag free experiences, everyone knowing the mechs, practicing with one another long enough to gauge how each member plays and what strengths/weaknesses they bring to the party. There are so many variables...

                  This is a very poor attempt to sway the moods/thoughts of the community in a particular direction. For one, you're not one to do such a thing for your reputation precedes you.

                  TL: DR

                  It's never a bad thing to be overgeared for any dung/nest/raid, you are just good at preparing yourself and you're one step ahead for the next challenge that awaits after you conquer your current one . Often times if you're running with randoms, it's best to be overgeared for you will have to carry from time to time.

                  Doesn't it sound strange that people are actively trying to manipulate other people to NOT gear up??? (sure they have their reasons, they say you don't need to be super geared yet they throw on this charade...gotta make one wonder wtf lol)

                  I would also like to know who's saying everyone in the party must have L gears? 140k+ was the minimum that the community came to almost universal agreement with back before transfer and some might remember the thread I'm referring to in the old forums, heh even Zeus posted on it. Didn't see anything like this on there :P.

                  Oh hey it's the same cuck that said my team's RDN HC run times were fake on our RDN HC selling thread.

                  Wouldn't be surprised if one of the names we sold to was one of your alts, you know. After we had to ask forum mods to delete 2 pages of your jealousy posts.



                  You jump on the bandwagon of calling the elite in the game bad things and that they are inferior to you, only to make yourself feel better about how inferior you are to us, fucking pleb. Get good and stop wasting mine, Pounding's, literally anybody's breath who is better than you and has to read this in order to provide in-depth info to people who actually need help, instead of these bullshit contributions you make yourself.

                  And also, do yourself a favor too and stop breathing yourself, it's a waste of the oxygen I'll need for the next 55 years.
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                  • Shs
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                    That's because I didn't, I sold my gold and quit around when BDO came out (April/May)

                  • ILLbeURdeath
                    ILLbeURdeath commented
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                    Attacking mental illness again I see, and you guys think I'm the one looking bad...something is very wrong with you people...

                  • BowieSage
                    BowieSage commented
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                    Okay, I can't speak for the other two, but as I pointed out my comment was just a personal observation on my end. I wasn't really supporting anyone through it, nor did I join in on attacking mental illness. Just wanted to try to get the point of focus out of the way.

                • #12
                  Think imma just tell my peeps to gear up in evo comas if they can or well enhanced theano gear. Maybe even nightmares 93 or ultimates. we've been doing idn 4 man and 4 man hc without getting hit too much or dying so I think we probably gonna try and form some kinda team and give 8 man a shot.

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                  • #13
                    tht seems to be the case.

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                    • #14
                      I'd say it goes both ways. I mean if a group knows the mechs well enough, they should be able to clear it in theory. At the same time however you don't want terrible gear to do it with. Perhaps it can be exaggerated a little bit but you can't ignore that they have DPS checks in the raid either. And I know Zues gave an example of how he worked around DPS checks and that's fantastic but I'm trying to consider the average player here lol.

                      tl:dr - A little bit yes but for a valid reason imo

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                      • #15
                        Let us get down to business.

                        Originally posted by ILLbeURdeath View Post
                        What a charade lol, account made in October and only 2 posts both of which in this thread only...hmmm...
                        Game's been up for 2 weeks and you're judging folks join dates, not that they ever mattered to begin with. What a clown.

                        Why would you ask an opinion on a raid from someone who plays in other servers?
                        Some people are more experienced than others, despite what handicaps they repeatedly need. You reek of inexperience, what drives you to believe a single soul should heed your advice?

                        Someone who has a perspective which only 1% of the gaming population here agrees with.
                        False. As proven within this thread and even without said proof, it is an easily drawn conclusion with enough experience and not so many cognitive defects like some people.

                        Someone who needs that extra practice and guides to do said raid? I would rather ask someone who was able to beat it without needed such advantages.
                        Then you're on the wrong server.

                        Not to mention Zeus' perspective is way out of whack, he hasn't had epic gear on him for the longest time. He played the bandwagon of the 80 cap class - Crusader which was capable of dealing billions of damage back in T4.
                        You're bringing up factors of efficiency as opposed to the actual subject on point. Entirely irrelevant and you sound far too worried about those you feel inferior to, even if they are total retards.

                        Someone who mocks those around him to further his own esteem, who makes fun of mental illness, that's someone you want to take advice from? If any of the so-called "elitists" here had any brains, they'd know that the correct answer can only be gathered when all perspectives have been accounted for and all variables taken into account.
                        Shit, put a tin hat on people- We've got a major in psychology over here assessing people on the internet based on their shitposts. Don't let him get in your head.

                        For IDN 4 man - a group of highly enhance Theano gear should have enough dps to clear dps checks, that's also assuming that they each can play their class to its fullest - that is a perfect scenario which often times does NOT come to fruition. Instead, you often might see lop sides parties where one or two of the members are overgeared because they know that THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CARRY TO GET THE CLEAR WHEN PARTYING WITH RANDOMS...
                        I have a terrible gut feeling that this is coming from personal experience via the "being carried" perspective. Truly sad.

                        For IDN 8 man - with the information that I have collected through reading and talking with some vets, you're going to need adequate damage to clear all dps checks and clear raid on HC within 70 minutes. IDN 4 man does not scale perfectly with 8 man, thus if one or two party members are lacking, yes you'll really need a few over geared people to make up for those shortcomings. But, in a perfect world everyone would be equally adequately geared and be capable of flawless execution. We don't live in a perfect world for there are free radicals, to which I won't get into for this post would become much, much longer than it already is.
                        Instead of talking to people who haven't cleared(as it is obvious that you stray from those who excel where you do not), you may want to try forming your own conclusive opinion by actually raiding content while it is relevant. You're the type of casual that doesn't bother until it is nerfed and anyone can clear.

                        Everything depends on party composition and how each member can complement one another, it also depends on execution, it also depends on everyone having lag free experiences, everyone knowing the mechs, practicing with one another long enough to gauge how each member plays and what strengths/weaknesses they bring to the party. There are so many variables...


                        This is a very poor attempt to sway the moods/thoughts of the community in a particular direction. For one, you're not one to do such a thing for your reputation precedes you.
                        I sincerely regret the butthurt that has been inflicted on you by a more educated opinion than your own over the internet. Stay in school, my friend.

                        TL: DR

                        I am a self-conflicted casual who can not get over how inferior I feel to those who are better than me. I can't stand it when players who are better than me go out of their way to provide knowledge to players that ask for it, what an ego boost!

                        I will never be able to compete in content so long as I am constantly worried and crying about what other people are doing rather than focusing on improving myself.

                        Perhaps I'll purchase a new computer chair that doesn't have a built-in dildo on the seat and man the fuck up :P.
                        Only agreeable part of his post.

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                        • ILLbeURdeath
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                          Thank you for your kind words, you always know how to cheer someone up
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