PETITION: Removal of gold for enhancing T1-10 Skila

[zhenghui]

Dear Players,

Skila is considered to be the end game gear for the high-end players with extremely low enhancement rate and chance to drop level even at +1. It is obvious that the developer wanted skila equipment to stay relevant for a long time by giving it insane stats but at the same time make it difficult to complete to +20. It is a known fact that the enhancement of Skila equipment for across from different server decided by the publisher, some set it to require a ridiculous amount of gold or materials.

1. DNSea T1-10 Skila cost gold and points (6k gold to +1, and 11k gold to +6)... despite mentions of 50% golden goose discount when enhancing, it is not being applied for our server
2. KDN T1-10 Skila cost only points and does not require any gold.
3.TWDN T1-10 Skila used to cost gold and points but after petition, the gold requirement is deemed ridiculous and removed subsequently
4. DN EU T1-10 Skila cost gold and points (3k gold to +1, and 5.5k gold to +6) ... this is actually half price (golden goose in effect) after removal of golden goose points system, 50% discount is applied for all.
5. CDN T1-10 Skila cost gold and points and jellies ( well Cdn is well known to be a $ sucker with annual earnings to be 10 times more than the combined of every other DN server... now we know why)

Well, the purpose of this petition is to request for similar version as that of KDN of course, with success petition in TWDN, I can see that technically, it is actually possible to make changes and whether we can get it depends on the publisher's decision. Whether they listened and cared for their players to keep the game alive long term or prefer to kill the goose to get the egg by trying to milk as much as possible before the game becomes dead.


Below I will share some of my experience in enhancing and my understanding of the situation from reading other forums to justify my petition.

1. The enhancement of Skila is really freaking expensive now, at least fix it and give us back the golden goose that we are supposed to get. Based on average luck, I tried enhancing the skila on my ML during enhancement bonus dates and used around 50k points to +6 offhand it took me around 100k gold. Subsequently, during the next enhancement event, I used around another 30k points and 60k gold to downgrade it to +5 (lol wasted, became weaker by enhancement >_<). Disheartened I also enhance my other body parts to +4 and it took me another 50k points and 100k gold.

TLDR: It cost me around 100k points and 250k gold to enhance whole set to +4/5. I think this amount is not normal for majority of the population.

2. I think the publisher should stop using the excuse called "gold sink" to implement such system then regret it later because the economy is screwed up then introduce P2W gold box for people to spam (indirectly selling gold for $). The very reason a "gold sink" is required is due to these indirect gold selling stuff that shouldn't exist in the first place. I mean like, spending once in a while to support the salary and upkeep of the server is fine but spending over $10k to get enough gold to +10scylla is unthinkable. Really, end of the day, if it's too ridiculous, everyone will simply just stop playing the game and wait for the next gachalicious event LOL.

TLDR: Making it cost either 2-3years of grinding or $10-20k to just +10/15 for a single item is too much. Afterall it's just a line of code, and who knows, after trying so hard, it will be given free as the next gachalious reward. If getting it is so hard, people simply stop trying and wait to be spoonfed, and that defeats the purpose of playing this game. This will really be the demise of dragonnest, when everyone is not playing anymore and simply waiting for events to "gear up".

3. From my understanding from reading CDN forum, it is understood the atmosphere and economy is completely screwed up asmajority (over 90%) of the players are stuck with 100k lebrium points (maxed) but no gold to enhance. With their Skila are still stuck at +0, there's completely no progression in the game at all already. The daily Maze and Labyrinth gives petty amount of gold, totally not enough to enhance even if you farm 6h a day. The only feasible way to enhance items in CDN is to purchase POINTS+JELLIES+GOLD directly from their publisher during event.

The players mostly got disheartened and left the game because it kind of becomes like paying foringame resource to gamble to get higher enhancement on ingame item and other features of the game makes no sense already. There's no reason to do labyrinth or acquire more points because they are maxed out on points but can't afford to enhance. The players has no new content or progression even after being months ahead of us, while for KDN, due to the no gold fees, there's motivation for players to continue play the game normally and farm labyrinth for points to try +10 and this is more normal.

TLDR: Don't destroy the game, labyrinth is the only thing people do nowadays, if gold becomes the bottleneck and everyone is maxed out on points, nobody is going to play the game anymore.

4. Moving on, based on our current gachalicious Xmas event, most people would definitely get their T3+20 set completed and the enhancing of Skila will start to affect everyone and this is of a major concern. imagine having the entire population of DN Sea lose their motivation to play the game anymore due to the impossibly ridiculous amount.





Thanks for reading and I made a survey and would like to see the response of other players just in case everyone actually loves high enhancement cost and trying to do this petition is pointless.

[atom100]

Totally removing gold for enhancement will make the gold useless, no one will farm dungeons and sell items for gold, better make it at reasonable amount.

[Ryndecure]

It only won’t cost gold from +1-10, from +11 onwards it will require gold if you decide to enhance just like TDN and KDN.

[zhenghui]

yeah +10 onwards cost 15k per click with even lower success rate. in fact , the number of people who can afford to enhance beyond 15 after 6 months could be counted with 1 hand ..

[atom100]

that still months away, reducing it to 20% of current rate is more reasonable, we can't compare to EU or NA w/c currently have hyper inflation. 50% reduction just right to them.

[Mokosa12]

I appreciate your effort i will support you sir

[launcelot]

The gold cost are there for a reason. They are the new gold sinks of our gear progression. With no other way to enhance your gears, this is the only way forward. It will become cheaper when the gear progression is expanded even further. You can always stay safe and stay at Tier 3 + 20 until it becomes cheaper later.

[zhenghui]

The amount of gold generation by normal means is definitely not sustainable. The inflation is basically caused by unlimited sales of gold gachas. The YouTube video is true for mmo like WoW etc but in dn, the amount of gold one could earn daily is petty amount compared to enhancement fee.

Gold are actually getting harder to earn now with service gold get lower and lower and every single times from L jade to fd plate , because basically normal players who only relies on ingame features is unable to get so much gold.

I guess I’m among the hardcore top tier players and even for me that this is too costly. I’m one of the first few to sell 2 man gdn , earning 300-500k gold in one day is normal, when we first clear fdn in server , the loots per week sells for 600-800k per run ..

fast forward 2 months .. gdn becomes 5k (dropping from 25k) .. fdn loots price also falls by more than 2/3.. And worse still for the remaining 95% of the population who can’t sell svc, they won’t be able to afford enhancing skila.

Fd plates prices falls from 400k to 180k , L jade from 600k to 200k .. tell me about inflation? It’s true that most of the gold are with a few people, I know of people with 20+ max gold characters .. but even he feels the enhancement is costly.

If there’s many other ways to do gold sinks, some mmo includes cosmetic stuff and exclusive mounts that cost a lot of gold to generate demand and not affect the game in anyway..

But by attempting to sink gold from enhancement, 95% of the people will run into a dead end soon , wait till a few months after jan 02, when people are 100k points and cant progress further because no gold got enhancement ..

[zhenghui]

Time will tell , when every T3 20 players get stuck at 100k lebrium points and no gold to enhance , everyone will understand what’s I mean.. history of cdn will repeat in our server.

95% of the population will be stuck with 0 progression after 3-4 months.. and longer unless they decided to get gold else where by selling cc and so on..

But well this is good for causal players , because they don’t have to work hard , everyone else stays equally weak together with them because nobody can afford. But the down side is for those who works hard and sees how meaningless their efforts are

[atom100]

Maybe 1 of the reason of the drop price in FDN loot is people realised those FDN accessories are inferior to refined genesis accessories if you're average player specially the earring.

[zhenghui]

everything is getting cheaper and cheaper because the end game players are already fully geared since forever ago and they simply just hoard onto the gold.

The circulating supply of gold is actually getting lesser and lesser and the demand for stuff also decreases .. that’s why the price of items dropped. But do note that price and value is 2 very different thing..

fd plate goes from 400k to 180k doesn’t mean it becomes cheaper , the same 180k simply becomes more valuable .. 400k could only buy u 20 gdn runs in the past but now 180k can buy you 36 runs ... how this impact individual depends on where you stand in the pyramid ...

at first look it might seems beneficial for beginner because their daily gold can buy them gdn svc .. but in the long run to climb up towards the mid tier , they will realized its way harder than compared to the past , in the past they only need to farm 20gdn svc to gear 1 fd plate .. now they need to sell 36 ..,

people will get stratified in their own tier , incapable of progressing. The ridiculous amount of gold and effort to do skila will definitely narrow the power disparity between players but at the same time it kills the game for 95% of the people because there’s no reason to play as they wont be able to progress without spending $ for gold

[Faraway]

is there gold gacha?

[atom100]

There is gold box can be bought from cash shop for a limited time introduce by CC during the Leica the storm era. iirc ED also sold it here i just don't remember when?

[zhenghui]

Bumping up this thread ... I see that most of my friends complaining maxing points and no gold to enhance :/ .. anyone else facing the same issue ?

[12ChopChop]

zhenghui its too late to save DN already ever since T3 gacha rolled out. They just cut short the server's remaining active PLAYING population days. Now a lot of us are just waiting for Skila +10 reward from gacha when they release Skila +20 cap

[acevanlee]

mid tier player here.. the current enhance system dont have much effect on me.. i once spent 100k on enhancing and it gave me one +2 and two +1 on my gears.. so id rather spend them on other things.. still need 1 more FD plate and am at 4/12 legend jade.. the current system can stall you guys at cap for us to lessen our gear gap..


and as for saving the game, as stated above its hard or even "ady too late"

ive seen 3 cap geared players selling their accounts and alot more at the high geared level the past 2 wks (not including other players who are not a member of that underground market)... CC sellers also stopped selling... i guess this is what ED wants.

i really dont want to say this but underground market had a large role in keeping the game alive...

and yes this all started when they literally sold skilla to players enraging most dedicated players and gave up their support to the game.. (including me, never bought cc and nearly quit that time)



already 1yr and 2months in this game..so i guess ill just stay and play casual until they shut down.. problem is i cant find anythng to replace it aside from d*ta2 lel

[moneycat]

well.. without enhancing cost will be weird.. but still i voted for remove gold requirement lol

[Azonia]

Anyone know about the overall "feeling" of TWDN players with regard to their gaming brought about by of zero (0) gold cost in enhancing Skila to +10? I'm guessing maybe that they were generally happy initially...and now maybe they are stuck again somewhere in +12 and feeling mired again.

[Mr.Shovels]

If i were to ask, whether to vote to remove the gold enhancement fee on skila and either to have an option to reduce the enhancement fee? i would go for the latter, its not reasonable to remove the gold enhancement fee and let most of the people who just been spoonfed by ED to reach end game gear so easily by having to remove the gold enhancement fee from enhancing the skila gear, not to mention gold is now relatively easy to earn if you know what you're doing.

The only problem with going to the "f2p" route is that whenever you just finished enhancing your gear to the highest possible enhancement level and upgrade, ED just decides to do an eyegacha event where everybody can enjoy a free gear bundle for a very cheap price, considering you've spent insurmountable amount of gold, points to enhancing your gear, not to mention the time and effort you have poured into it, and it all falls apart after all the inactive players goes into awakening when ED is time to spoonfeed these people with their ludacris eye gacha event.

I'm complaining about how ED makes amends on their events and that it is unfair for people who are investing their time and effort onto getting the full experience of playing the game without spending that much money to get the things they want and gear their characters to the highest possible point it can reach, and then suddenly everyone who had just t1 calypse from before started getting a better gear than you with just topping up a few CC and converting it to EYET then goes buying the gacha boxes that ED instructed these people to buy to "Participate" on their eye gacha event, and that leaves all those players who are just about to get their end game gear frustrated that they have been left behind, this does not only affect people in their game, it also affects their mentality, even if we are talking about a few individuals here, some are really into playing the game and that they are serious about it.

Why not just commence an eye gacha event where gears aren't rewarded? why not just cool costumes, or accessory set, cool mounts, limited edition stuffs where it will only be available for that moment like gestures, spirits and stuff, i mean giving away equipment or gears for a cheap price are the only last thing that makes a difference between a free to play game and a pay to win game, you're no different from the loot boxes and loot crates of other game companies out there if you keep this practice a tradition.

I just hope that the last EYEGACHA event with the t3 gear bundle is the last thing you would ever do, since you said it yourselves, skila is the end game gear, but you didn't say the end game gear for the entire game, and there's still 5 more level caps to go before level 100 cap.

Here's hoping ED doesn't go south again and giveaway free skila gear the next eye gacha event commence, if they do its really gonna be absurd at that point.