My problems with this game. [RANT]

[BowieSage]

Some of us aren't really complaining about P2W. For one, I don't have too many problems with P2W/cash shops naturally, since devs have to make money somehow. The problem is when a game starts balancing itself around these P2W features/end-game equipment, practically "forcing" you to spend money (or already be in end-game equipment from previous caps) just to be able to do content reliably, assuming it's possible to clear without them. I honestly have to say that 80 cap, imo, came pretty close to that (for those who don't know, my main gripe with 80 cap wasn't the difficulty of the mechanics or dungeons. It was the burn damage, which was not only insanely high (to the point where the then-squishier classes like Archer were always in danger of dying quickly, even in Master dungeons) but also frequent to the point where just about every attack or dungeon was capable of draining large chunks of your HP through burn damage ALONE. That was the only cap I can think of where elemental defense was practically MANDATORY to safely clear content, and you could pretty much kiss raiding/VTN goodbye if you didn't have Fire-res skill gems).

I don't mind a game being difficult mechanically (I've been playing Monster Hunter, and plan to play Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition once I get a better laptop, so I'm used to facing mechanically-challenging monsters (such as the Nargacuga/certain Deviant monsters)/enemies by this point), just so long as the stat scaling is reasonable, and content can be cleared with even sub-optimal gear once you've got the mechanics down (much like with Dark Souls and Monster Hunter, since you typically don't need TA-tier builds to clear everything. TA-tier builds make things easier, but aren't required if you're skilled enough to get by without them). Sadly, 90-93 cap is too easy mechanically (every mechanic is hard at first, but what matters is how quickly one is able to adapt on average, and DPS checks tend to be the fastest to adapt to (or at least SHOULD, but the general raid community's disappointed me before, certain teams not included) since that just requires learning how to conserve burst attacks. Red carpets everywhere don't help, either), and everything outside of certain nests and raids are far too weak to give even the slightest sense of danger or challenge needed to help players learn how to play their class properly/cooperate with a team.

[Bubzie]

Actually its from eggs like a majority of the items that we currently get and its also tradeable on the market place from what i hear. No bullshit hybridising crap/synthesizing or whatever its called. Its like selling a unique merc on the. Marketplace sorta. Its gonna be expensive, but its not impossible to obtain. But even if we dont get it, with the current gear u have now, you are still considered above average gear with them L grades. If you can clear the current content already no need to worry too much about unique costumes. Sorta like FD stacking, its not a must to clear content, its simply a luxary to help u clear content faster.

[Bubzie]

guys we all know the combat became easier since they introduced shard of will
the devs better take that shit out so we don't have to harass noobs for their mentor slots no more and pve content will become hard again

If you say it that way, we should take away all the dashing abilities on all classes except warriors. Wow gee, great idea there. Didnt see that coming. #makedngreatagain

[Ardelline]

That all depends on whether NA gets the option to list them at all, since we do not have the ability to list <rare cash accessories on the market. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

[GreenmercyLK]

The pouch these are from are listable on MP so even a "free to play" player has a chance at these costumes as well in EU, although it still does come from a p2w source

[ceruulean]

guys we all know the combat became easier since they introduced shard of will
the devs better take that shit out so we don't have to harass noobs for their mentor slots no more and pve content will become hard again

[Aisuru]

Except ATN had those trials too and they were optional for you to do the trial version. Personally I loved ATN and VTN.

Well, can't say many good things about ATN either. I really disliked them.

[Bubzie]

Gotta admit VTN was sometimes even harder than Bdn hc. Wish they could bring it back out. Them mechs are hard af compared to idn. Yes idn is relatively easy compared to SDn/DDN. Theres no denying that. Also remember p2w is the ones that fund the game. Why complain about them. Im looking for more p2w players so the game stays up. If theres so much problems with the game, dont play it simple as that. No point complaining about it, it didnt get us anywhere with nexon. Its not gonna get us anywhere in ED either. And for people who dont know, support tickets are actually read through, they just dont wanna reply to the same issue over 1000x Yaya did reply that they ackiwledged issues from tickets so relax and be patient. ED are not our mothers to cater for our needs 24/7. Be a little considerate people. Just relax, enjoy whats left of the game and keep saving gold. Ur gear aint enhancing by itself with complaints mang its not how the equation works. Focus on urself and not others, if people have have better gear than you be grateful because at least they clear content to sell runs and items on the marketplace. I.e Idnl accessories.

Also all p2w are EXPECTED to be better because its pay to win. Its like comparing a 2nd hand car with a ferrari. No comparison, this is life.

Theres alot of people that have little to no gold income, find ways to make gold then. If you need tips, start farming twisted fountain and use memory fragments to farm deadmans road using an abundant talisman. Kill boss, leave before clear. Ezpz gold there. NO RNG, just pure grinding. Apple alts isnt the only way to make gold to be honest, dont compare ur gold income with other people cuz they work at different paces. Some people make 20-50k a week, some people make 5k. Regardless it keeps u occupied cuz if u have all the gear already then theres not much of a goal to achieve, thus ur gonna quit anyway. Unless ur into the whole "roleplaying" thing in town Lol.

PS: im generalising, not pointing fingers at anyone

[Ardelline]

VTN would be a perfect example of a terrible way to implement difficulty. Random shocks occurring during the boss fights? That's not really a skill based thing to avoid, it's just a nuisance.

Except ATN had those trials too and they were optional for you to do the trial version. Personally I loved ATN and VTN.

[Ardelline]

You're just salty because you didn't get to transfer.

What? How can I be salty about not transferring... if I transferred?

[Demo]

Maybe your team isn't doing enough dps because they play poorly &/or too safe. Tell your dps' to learn to play aggro & not die. If my team's epic geared saint could get 14m dps @ clear, I'm sure the dps on your team can do better.

[ceruulean]

My argument is that gear makes idn easy. If you do idn with average gear it's not easy. Anyway I have cleared with pugs I've organized (1:10 run) so it's not undoable but it is annoyingly tedious. Also what about +13 90 nightmare/idnu means people are undergeared? When people do this nest with the very gear that drops it and still can't make hc timers? Wtf? I thought the point of clearing norm was to get gear to do hc lmfao. Somehow with the design of this nest the idnu>idnl path is actually unviable and you need a sprinkle of rdnl. For rdn, you could clear hc in 80 fd set or with rdnu and 90 cauda. IDN? My team has the 90 cap equivalents and I know it's not enough dps. (The only epic gears on my team are fd gears). Well maybe it's cause I haven't been able to have a full team run in a while, always having to sub so my judgements off. But that just confirms the other point that the raid is hard enough that some people don't put in the dedication to clear it. To me a lot of the difficulty comes from gear, but trying to paint his raid as EZ makes it so dying seems like such a noob thing to do? Which discourages people because they don't realize it's normal to die in there when your practicing lol.
I cry about the gear disparity.

An adept with all idnu did 54 bil; an lk with all rdnl did 90 bil and even died at 3x dragon. Both classes are the same tier. The difference is literally gear. I would love for my whole team to have full rdnl. But to ask people to invest in outdated gear at this point is stupid. A lot of em already have 3-4 pieces anyway.

[Aisuru]

Eh, sadly I'm just contributing to the problem.

Thing is, when you're with some type of company, organization, etc, then eventually you get numb to how they deal with things. Being with Nexon and DN since 2012, and now ED, has pretty much made me ignore a majority of the problems. Super p2w? Meh. You need to farm apples to make gold? Got it. No devs talking to us? Been used to it since the Nexon DFO days...

I will react to certain things, such as not receive Adept awakening for some time or bugged classes. But other things... it's just meh at this point.

I've invested so much time and Dragon Nest has given and taken away so much from my life that I can't really mind the issues anymore.

One real issue would be the difficulty, but that's because you can't have true difficulty in this game. Raids are difficult at the start because people need to gather gear and learn mechanics, but once you start learning then dying is less and less common. You can always add new mechs, but again that's more of a false sense of difficulty. VTN would be a perfect example of a terrible way to implement difficulty. Random shocks occurring during the boss fights? That's not really a skill based thing to avoid, it's just a nuisance. Time limit to kill the boss? All that does is increase class discrimination and elitism. The system at a base level is flawed.

But the combat is so damn fun.

[Demo]

ceruulean so your arguement is that since they gave each boss 2x more hp than rdn hc (making it take long to kill a boss) it's hard? Is it hard to kill the dps golem too??? The bosses in idn hardly have any mechanics, and if you know how to press shift you shouldn't really be getting hit. Last week 2 members on my team took 0 damage in the full hc run, and they don't play like babies either (85 & 72m dps @ clear).

And you say that you cry because you have <<<<two>>>> people with rdnL on your team? Go do red dragon nest and get the rest of the people on your team better gear, if they can't enhance rdnL there's no point in them getting idnL. Worst case if your team needs the dps so bad get people to buy runs and make 2 idnL peices, then you should have enough dps to do it easily. (S>idn hc 3k no ffa) :^ )

[Ardelline]

That's why we need to not let them get away with it. It's hard because Ignorance is bliss. If someone has spent the past couple years working their äss off building their account on DNNA's highly inefficient PvE system, of course it's going to hurt for them to hear that the time they spent was a bad investment... they would rather keep the game on the road its going now, and not hear it. Whether or not you were trying to insult them, people will be insulted. Take it from experience~

what's heartbreaking though, is that all the effort people have spent here, could have made them so much happier and brought them to such greater lengths if it was diverted elsewhere~♪

^^^^^^^^^ Yes.