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the only people that honestly think merc counters acro are probably the same trashcans that think mercs counter kalis too.Comment
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I think they're both similar in a lot of ways. But I'd say there are 2-3 major differences that I can think of at the moment. Dancers generally do more damage than acros and, while both classes may have a lot of iframes, dancer's power tumble (skeletal distraction) makes the class quite riskier than acro imo. More supposed risk for more reward.
I'm not exactly sure how to explain the third difference besides putting it bluntly, but from my perspective, dancers basically do not do well against mercs and machs because they have high super armor. It's actually quite difficult (relatively speaking) for dancers to *quickly* break skills that have 600+ sa, which mercs and machs have a decent amount of (which leads to a multitude of problems). Please note that in no way am I saying dancer has low sab. But, I do think that acro has an easier time breaking somewhat-high sa skills quickly (600ish).
I'm actually still on the fence about whether mercs counter dancers though. I mean, back in 80-90 cap, you had mercs that could brag about never having lost a 1v1 to a dancer since their nerf after release. Sure, you could say there have never been any good dancers, but imo that's a cheesy argument at best. Staying on topic though, I think if you were to poll a bunch of mercs (at least on this server) they'd say that they have an easier time fighting dancers than acros, probably because of at least one of the reasons I stated before.
So, tl;dr, dancers have higher damage than acro, so in that way, yeah, they could kill mercs easier than acros could. However, acros have better utility in their quick sab and better power tumble, for fighting mercs. Therefor, acros in some way have it easier. Both have utility, but it's not exactly the same utility. Depends on your perspective. -
Blooming kick - breaks every merc skill
Eagle Dive - Breaks every merc skill
SSD - Breaks every merc skill (Also an iFrame I believe)
Ring shot - Breaks every merc skill (Also an iFrame)
Throw in your insane mobility, nasty damage, multiple evades and you've got a class counter.
Compare that to Dancer which has maybe 2 skills that they could rely on to break SA from a merc safely and quickly. Personally, Dancer is MUCH easier to fight than any acrobat.
I saw this same argument about whether Reaper was strong or not and it came down to the fact that no matter HOW much damage you can deal, it's useless if the class you're fighting can catch every evade you use, break all your SA and evade each time you catch them (so long as they rotate their evades properly). As much as reaper might not hit like a runaway ice cream van (like merc), it can catch you every time you get up for a 7k counter and a 60k combo. -
Blooming kick, ssd, and eagle dive have to be in range, which if I'm honest, is pretty fu cking terrible on all of them for a temp. But blooming kick has a very low cd so you have several chances. Most temps barely even use eagle dive though. It's way too predictable, we dont fly around as easily, and the range on ours is pretty bad. My whole argument though isn't that acros CAN'T counter mercs, but that it takes a lot of skill to do it. Same with dancers since they lack the utility but somewhat make up for it in damage. Usually when I would say a class directly counters another class, I mean they faceroll ftw in this matchup.
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Shout-out to SmiIing, Spirit Dancer. It's nice to see her improve with each 1v1.
Oh, and shout-out to Ruad.
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shoutout to revisal aka ma bf ♥ ly booComment
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any ripper mains here? trying to get good, im new and just hit 80 using chronicle. Im very interested in this class.. i love fist classes,all up in your face doing combos and dealing damage.Comment
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everybodys entitled to their opinion. but.
Crusaders do 0 damage. Guardians do over DOUBLE damage of a crusader. Why the hell would you advise a new player to play a class they wouldn't get a win on even after trying for 1000 games. Baseless assumptions without ever playing the class yourself. The hell m8 -
Yo Zeplic, I play every class in this game save for Silver Hunter and Dragoon( I couldn't cuz the skills FPS lagged my computer for SH, and was just too lazy to make a Dragoon lol)
I'm aware that guardian somehow has the POTENTIAL to be more damage worthy, but I'm not sure on the consistency or how to actually pull it off, and I've played this game since like 24-32 cap. That's why I said Guardian has not "...that great damage UNLESS THEY REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING."
Fought you specifically a few rounds, it's clear you know what you're doing, but most other Guardians win/lose by time because they don't know what rotations to use and what situation calls for what for the best damage. The average player won't be as elegant at using their skills as someone who's played for a very long time.
I'm a veteran with no damn idea how to play that class, I'm under the assumption throwing in a noobie with Guardian would get them killed. On the opposite spectrum, I've played crusader and seen new crusaders.
The base skill floor for sader has better win output than skill floor guardians IMO because it's got really forgiving range but also decent damage output. I'm recommending sader because it's easier to approach because the gracious AoE effects of the big 'ole Tazer and Relic make easy approaches right off into shin breaker for a newer player.
Obviously, given time since Guardian somehow trumps Sader (and with their amazing Awakenings coming) the skill roof for Guardians will be a bit better than sader, but for now in my opinion if you're just now making a new class you want all up in someones face, I'd say Sader as their skill floor is still higher than Guardian IMO just for the sheer simplicity of their utility. If you're already cleric-savvy, guardian would be more your speed.
Topic at hand, I stand by my points. I'd say Sader is better for a new cleric and when he wants to try less AoE and more potential, invest in a Guardi.
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both merc classes counter DANCERS fairly well. screamer is a different storyOriginally posted by iPokeHard View Post
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also i didnt read the whole acro vs merc argument, but from what i can gather i think grouping barb and destroyer in the same category is a little misguided this cap.
from what i have played against and seen barb is on the weaker side now that they cannot circle swing ins abuse.
destroyer on the other hand is op :/ im not even really sure how they can deny that
and yeah i would agree that acro can counter most classes if we were on perfect servers, its pretty well known that acro and alot of times swordmaster for that matter are subject to continual skill fails/bugs and iframe cancels.
lastly i could really care less if people think im garbage or not. im still gunna use HD 5 times in a row and use the photo pose gesture after. that is all.Last edited by Absol; 11-20-2016, 02:56 PM.Comment
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All of you guys need to redetermine what this thread is for. go make a separate warrior v acro thread.
I wanna see who the next up and coming players are. who the community thinks are the rising stars.ForceLord
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If you're including me, I commented here to compliment people. It's not my fault that someone else had already derailed. I didn't have to reply, but it defeats the whole purpose of complimenting someone if others can just tear them down right after. That comment should've been deleted pretty quickly, but it wasn't, so I defended someone because the whole purpose of this thread is to build people up.
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Wow no one going to mention me? Im literally destroying everyone lol. I have lost only once.♣
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Not sure if they are underrated, unknown, or not, but shoutout to paths (principle), MalachiX, and MemoryCore for being decent 1v1 Saints.Comment
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I havnt seen a decent 1v1 saint since 70 cap. where do you find these rare gems. I think I recognize some of the names but not as 1v1 players.Originally posted by iHeavencent View PostOG Salad and full time memer.Comment
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MemoryCore was one of my students, along with HolyBlade. Glad to see this game is still alive and kicking!Originally posted by iPokeHard View Post
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Anticlownz, I was not a student of yours. The person who showed me basic priest things was a priest called "YourLight" and he quit long ago when i was around lv 35 three years ago. I appreciate the shoutout though.Last edited by MemoryCore; 11-23-2016, 07:28 PM. -
So do you really not remember me helping you lvl from 16 to 43? All the hours practicing combos weekly? All the 1v1's you and holyblade had? Me giving you gold towards your kick crests?? Well then. That's fine.
P.S Hello Tachi, been awhile, surprised you still play.
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