Can we not do Military Time?

[Hoest]

Yea people these days need to learn how to fix their own problems and not complain. Look at CraZyZeuS. He sucks at ladder and pvp in general, but that doesn't stop him from trying to get to diamond 1 rank. He is actively solving this problem by having Zeplic log on his account and do ladder for him so he can get that diamond 1 title. Sometimes you got to think out of the box to solve your problems instead of crying on forums.

[MedicalKit]

Originally posted by aaron View Post
To clarify myself, I don't care which way it goes. I think it's annoying to convert 17:00 to 4:00PM, because I grew up with 4:00PM.

Hahahaha. Way to invalidate your entire point, which can be summarized by "it's annoying and I don't like to think waah" The only people who want this are idiots.

[Hanakarasu]

I find it somewhat astounding how some topics garner more attention than others.

[ILLbeURdeath]

Indeed

/10c

[aaron]

Okay, I'm getting the sense people are thinking I'm actually complaining. I'm not complaining and I am arguing for argument sake. I don't need to be responded with a ton of "get over it" or "go learn it" or whatever. I know how to read 24 hr time despite my hiccup in a previous post (1800 is 6PM OK??????). While it bothers me I can't read 24 hr time instantaneously, I don't have trouble converting it. The problem is that there's more room for error for the user base not familiar with 24 hr time, which so happens to be the majority user base, aka the United States players, where 24 hr time is taught briefly if at all.

Let me clarify again that I really don't care one way or another. I used myself as an example to think it's quite annoying, but it's something that I can manage. I'm arguing for argument sake, sake of discussion, to dig deeper towards the root of the problem versus telling everyone to get over it. It should be acknowledged as a problem to the majority user base for Dragon Nest US because it's strange and people like the opening poster are likely to misunderstand times. Point being it alienates a large number of users... maybe not to you specifically, but to the general population (of Dragon Nest US). I'm sure there are players that have never even heard of 24 hour time.

Yes, this fix is marginal at best, and yes the whole thing is trivial at its core, but the mentality here is what I'm trying to change. Of the 10s of so people that told me to get over it (get over what though???), at most 3 offered a solution that wasn't illegal, telling me to get over it, or cherry picking one out of several statements I made because there was a notable error there.

I'm not asking for ED To switch it back or fix it (though there are super simple solutions, like posting both 24 hr and AM/PM), but more so acknowledging it's a problem, despite trivial to most forum users.

[vara]

Let me clarify again that I really don't care one way or another

Makes post complaining that 24hr shouldn't be used, says he doesn't care afterwards

[aaron]

nvm i'm just going to shift my point to it's bad marketing for DN period. this should be more digestible... hopefully.

DN NA (or DN US as the url implies) is marketed towards the united states. everyone else is included too, but fact remains it's mainly for the united states. month, date, year is also a US format. putting 24hr is just dumb when everything else is Americanized. marketing event times in 24hr format when your main market are americans is just stupid. at this point i'm not arguing whether or not 24hr is hard, but it's just plain stupid to do it like that, at least in marketing terms. if they ever change the formatting for month day year to day month year, then i hope these same arguments from the same people arise.

anyways enjoyed everyone's feedback, but would appreciate it if you would respond to more than just a hiccup in my statements tenks!!!!!!!!!!

if anything just salty that people are telling me irrelevant things that don't pertain to what i'm saying in the first place.

[vara]

If eyedentity, our hosts, were American, this would make sense. But they aren't, so adjust accordingly.

[aaron]

If eyedentity, our hosts, were American, this would make sense. But they aren't, so adjust accordingly.

that logic begs the question:
ok then why the american format for dates?

also i said marketing for the us audience, not the fact our publishers are korean overlords. it has no relevance to the fact it's just bad marketing., it'd make more sense MARKETING WISE to put 12hr am/pm format.

again to reiterate/disclaimer:
i don't care. arguing for argument sake. don't really care about 24hr format, just salty posts aren't being comprehended.

[CraZyZeuS]

Yea people these days need to learn how to fix their own problems and not complain. Look at CraZyZeuS. He sucks at ladder and pvp in general, but that doesn't stop him from trying to get to diamond 1 rank. He is actively solving this problem by having Zeplic log on his account and do ladder for him so he can get that diamond 1 title. Sometimes you got to think out of the box to solve your problems instead of crying on forums.

Don't be salty because Echoes beat you twice and knocked you off of diamond 1. Get better and stop the whining

[Aisuru]

If I may add something here.

Out of all the things that the U.S. does differently from other countries, this is one that can actually be learned rather quickly and cause for confusion can be combated simply with knowledge.
Say for example some reads "17:00 ". If they're in the U.S., VERY high chance that they will have no idea what this means. They then Google or research this in some way. They learn about the time and make the necessary conversions to the time. Is it natural for us? Not really. Even I will sometimes have to stop and think, but this is about 5 seconds at most. 17:00 doesn't exist for us so there's nothing to confuse it with. People here just don't want to adapt to this, but it's something that I personally believe should be here.

Now, if they wanted to make a change where we fit other countries system of writing out dates... then I can see an issue. The date today is 12/10/16 written in U.S. and 10/12/16 written elsewhere. Those are 2 things that can get very easily confused and have honestly screwed me over. But for time? Nah.

[MonD]

why do people keep saying 17:00!!!! its not 17:00 its 1700! :c Sorry i work in the medical field, it just bothers me.

[Aisuru]

This goes to show how unused to it I am. 1700, my apologies.

[Hoest]

Don't be salty because Echoes beat you twice and knocked you off of diamond 1. Get better and stop the whining

Didn't get knocked down. Other people went up cause laddered while I didn't ladder for 3 days due to work. Maybe you would know how ladder works if you didn't have someone log on your account and ladder for you cause you suck at pvping.

[Lemon]

it doesn't matter if people are stupid. if something this simple can make them happy they're more likely to throw money

[CraZyZeuS]

Didn't get knocked down. Other people went up cause laddered while I didn't ladder for 3 days due to work. Maybe you would know how ladder works if you didn't have someone log on your account and ladder for you cause you suck at pvping.

Dafuq, my Paladin was higher ranked than your Dragoon with 1 loss only so you went on your ice witch cause you bad with Dragoon. Get good

[aaron]

If I may add something here.

Out of all the things that the U.S. does differently from other countries, this is one that can actually be learned rather quickly and cause for confusion can be combated simply with knowledge.
Say for example some reads "17:00 ". If they're in the U.S., VERY high chance that they will have no idea what this means. They then Google or research this in some way. They learn about the time and make the necessary conversions to the time. Is it natural for us? Not really. Even I will sometimes have to stop and think, but this is about 5 seconds at most. 17:00 doesn't exist for us so there's nothing to confuse it with. People here just don't want to adapt to this, but it's something that I personally believe should be here.

Now, if they wanted to make a change where we fit other countries system of writing out dates... then I can see an issue. The date today is 12/10/16 written in U.S. and 10/12/16 written elsewhere. Those are 2 things that can get very easily confused and have honestly screwed me over. But for time? Nah.

doing the date in american format, at the very least, should prove that at least in the US server that DN is "marketing", "advertising", or catering to the United States market. this is obvious when you explain how dates work (but you know date system is also easy to read. it's just lowest measure of time to highest measure of time [DDMMYYYY]??? or in korea's case highest measure of time to lowest measure of time [YYYYMMDD])............

Then this begs the question why did they do it in the first place? it's bad marketing which alienates the market which then "kill" the game even faster (written a tad bit dramatically, game isn't dying)... which is my point in the first place. happy for you, but not many probably share your same enthusiasm. do they have to deal with it? ya. will dn get less players online for their events because they posted in 24hr time instead of both? ya.

trivial at best? ya pretty much. easy fixes that can appease both parties? ya.

solution:
post in game clock as mentioned before, 24hr/12hr doesn't matter. 24hr would be better if they continue to post in 24hr.

or

post both.

disclaimer:
i don't care. arguing for argument sake. don't really care about 24hr format "issue.

[miki]

nty i want martian time zone